if you talk to anybody at the chicago headquarters they will candidly say they have some work to do on that score. >> i want to ask you something about michelle bachmann, simply because cnn wolf blitzer had an interview with bill clinton where he was complimentary about romney and governor huntsman but also said about michelle bachmann. i think she comes off as real. i don't agree with a lot of her things but she's a compelling public figure. you were out there when she announced. how did she come across to you and how did she interact with that crowd? >> think you're right and the former president is right. she does come across as real. she's such an in the moment politician. a lot of other people that are running are former governors. she's a current member of congress. that means she's in the fight. she was on the front line of the mid-term election fight last year, the front lines. tea party movement. she does sound real and not like your average politician. i think she's a great summer time candidate, republicans are enthused to hear her tough medicine against the democrats. and s